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		<title>By: Why something rather than nothing? &#171; Paroxysms of Sketch &#8211; Website of Heini Reinert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why something rather than nothing? &#171; Paroxysms of Sketch &#8211; Website of Heini Reinert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pretend to for the sake of argument. I already touched lightly upon the subject in my essay on the modal cosmological argument. There is more to be said, though, and recently I stumbled upon a video-interview with philosopher [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pretend to for the sake of argument. I already touched lightly upon the subject in my essay on the modal cosmological argument. There is more to be said, though, and recently I stumbled upon a video-interview with philosopher [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sketch Sepahi</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-2448</link>
		<dc:creator>Sketch Sepahi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much, MMM. My website&#039;s looks is due to my own dislike of text on white background on the internet. I wish people would understand that a screen is not a sheet of paper (unless you own a Kindle). It makes me happy that someone appreciates my choice (people usually comment that my website is too dark or gloomy).

Yes, RSS should most definitely notify you when I update. Do tell if it doesn&#039;t because then something is wrong. I should warn you, however, that I don&#039;t update frequently enough. Mostly because I&#039;m a procrastinating idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much, MMM. My website&#8217;s looks is due to my own dislike of text on white background on the internet. I wish people would understand that a screen is not a sheet of paper (unless you own a Kindle). It makes me happy that someone appreciates my choice (people usually comment that my website is too dark or gloomy).</p>
<p>Yes, RSS should most definitely notify you when I update. Do tell if it doesn&#8217;t because then something is wrong. I should warn you, however, that I don&#8217;t update frequently enough. Mostly because I&#8217;m a procrastinating idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: MMM</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-2371</link>
		<dc:creator>MMM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 10:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent blog! I definitely love how it is easy on my eyes and the facts are well written. I am wondering how I might be notified whenever a new post has been made. I have subscribed to your rss feed which should do the trick! Have a nice day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent blog! I definitely love how it is easy on my eyes and the facts are well written. I am wondering how I might be notified whenever a new post has been made. I have subscribed to your rss feed which should do the trick! Have a nice day!</p>
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		<title>By: Sketch Sepahi</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-1583</link>
		<dc:creator>Sketch Sepahi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uv bulbs, thank you for your comment but I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t follow you. Could you elaborate? Why would I not believe that this is true? And what do you mean exactly by your suggestion that I should post an answer to the other side of this story? What story are you talking about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uv bulbs, thank you for your comment but I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t follow you. Could you elaborate? Why would I not believe that this is true? And what do you mean exactly by your suggestion that I should post an answer to the other side of this story? What story are you talking about?</p>
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		<title>By: uv bulbs</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-1582</link>
		<dc:creator>uv bulbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 00:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you truly believe that is true?  You did a good job sharing your point, but I believe you should put some more thought in this discussion and perhaps post an answer to the other side of this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you truly believe that is true?  You did a good job sharing your point, but I believe you should put some more thought in this discussion and perhaps post an answer to the other side of this story.</p>
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		<title>By: pgexivhc</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-1500</link>
		<dc:creator>pgexivhc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;pgexivhc...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: Brandon M. Sergent</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon M. Sergent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 01:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*facepalm* This is utterly pointless.I never ever expected to encounter this. Clearly atheism has become a religion.

So because my position is by definition immune to falsification it must therefor be false? What if it were merely one of godel&#039;s little hole, true yet unprovable?

The very facts that existence exists and the laws of physics universally apply forces my contention to be true, but yes I suppose I can&#039;t prove it and similarly you can&#039;t disprove it. So yeah if you can comfortably claim victory in such a shady manner, be my guest.

I&#039;m sorry if I can&#039;t provide a proof that 1=1 but that does not mean there is a chance of 1=2.

Stick with the idea that our reality as we know it came from/in enforced by, nothing. 

I reject that on clear logical grounds, the fabric of our universe does not permit fabrication of physical constants from absence, therefor an external fabric is required.

How hard is it to grasp that while it is clear our reality did not come form nothing, an external reality that does  not play by our rules could have? Oh right, I can&#039;t already tell you everything there is to know about that external reality (beyond the fact that it MUST exist) so I lose.

To put it in terms you might understand, I&#039;m saying I don&#039;t know what color the turtle is, or whats under it, but I know there is AT LEAST one because our universe is clearly made of of a substance that can be nothing but shell.

For all I know in the turtle verse there are no rules, and there doesn&#039;t need to be a turtle under, or a ground.

If that doesn&#039;t do it, then I&#039;m done. This is like trying to run Internet explorer on an ipod. The processor is there, there just is no compatibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*facepalm* This is utterly pointless.I never ever expected to encounter this. Clearly atheism has become a religion.</p>
<p>So because my position is by definition immune to falsification it must therefor be false? What if it were merely one of godel&#8217;s little hole, true yet unprovable?</p>
<p>The very facts that existence exists and the laws of physics universally apply forces my contention to be true, but yes I suppose I can&#8217;t prove it and similarly you can&#8217;t disprove it. So yeah if you can comfortably claim victory in such a shady manner, be my guest.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I can&#8217;t provide a proof that 1=1 but that does not mean there is a chance of 1=2.</p>
<p>Stick with the idea that our reality as we know it came from/in enforced by, nothing. </p>
<p>I reject that on clear logical grounds, the fabric of our universe does not permit fabrication of physical constants from absence, therefor an external fabric is required.</p>
<p>How hard is it to grasp that while it is clear our reality did not come form nothing, an external reality that does  not play by our rules could have? Oh right, I can&#8217;t already tell you everything there is to know about that external reality (beyond the fact that it MUST exist) so I lose.</p>
<p>To put it in terms you might understand, I&#8217;m saying I don&#8217;t know what color the turtle is, or whats under it, but I know there is AT LEAST one because our universe is clearly made of of a substance that can be nothing but shell.</p>
<p>For all I know in the turtle verse there are no rules, and there doesn&#8217;t need to be a turtle under, or a ground.</p>
<p>If that doesn&#8217;t do it, then I&#8217;m done. This is like trying to run Internet explorer on an ipod. The processor is there, there just is no compatibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Sketch Sepahi</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>Sketch Sepahi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 04:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if all pigs are mammals, then all mammals must be pigs?

I think you misread my statement. I claim that athe&lt;i&gt;ism&lt;/i&gt; does not commit to materialistic monism, not that no athe&lt;i&gt;ists&lt;/i&gt; commit themselves to it. The former is undeniable per definition. The latter is just plain foolish, as I know for a fact that most atheists seem to derive their disbelief in gods from a general disbelief in anything non-material.

Therefore, taking survey from atheists about beliefs not encompassed by the concept of atheism can hardly be considered a viable test. To return to my example of all mammals being pigs, just because all materialist-monism entails atheism, it does not logically follow that all atheism must therefore entail materialist-monism. If the Dawkinsians are all materialist-monists that is incidental. I would surmise that they are also all human, yet I would never claim that being human is a prerequisite for being an atheist. prot from K-PAX is (arguably) not human, yet is every bit the atheist I am.

As for the otherness, I have yet to admit it. I am just trying to make a point that I do not explicitly deny it. The reason I do not profess materialist-monism is because it seems tautologically incoherent given the impossibility of defining &quot;materialism&quot; such that it makes a falsifiable claim. If we discovered the existence of ghosts tomorrow, a materialist could just insist that these ghosts were material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if all pigs are mammals, then all mammals must be pigs?</p>
<p>I think you misread my statement. I claim that athe<i>ism</i> does not commit to materialistic monism, not that no athe<i>ists</i> commit themselves to it. The former is undeniable per definition. The latter is just plain foolish, as I know for a fact that most atheists seem to derive their disbelief in gods from a general disbelief in anything non-material.</p>
<p>Therefore, taking survey from atheists about beliefs not encompassed by the concept of atheism can hardly be considered a viable test. To return to my example of all mammals being pigs, just because all materialist-monism entails atheism, it does not logically follow that all atheism must therefore entail materialist-monism. If the Dawkinsians are all materialist-monists that is incidental. I would surmise that they are also all human, yet I would never claim that being human is a prerequisite for being an atheist. prot from K-PAX is (arguably) not human, yet is every bit the atheist I am.</p>
<p>As for the otherness, I have yet to admit it. I am just trying to make a point that I do not explicitly deny it. The reason I do not profess materialist-monism is because it seems tautologically incoherent given the impossibility of defining &#8220;materialism&#8221; such that it makes a falsifiable claim. If we discovered the existence of ghosts tomorrow, a materialist could just insist that these ghosts were material.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon M. Sergent</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-1475</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon M. Sergent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Atheism does not commit me to materialistic monism. There might well exist any number of ineffable otherness on the outskirts of reality. Atheism, to me, just entails a failure to see why such ineffable otherness should wear the visage of a human face.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you should test that. Go post that sentiment on RichardDawkins.com or something.

The majority of atheists I&#039;ve encountered do treat atheism as a cosmology which states the universe requires no cause and therefor possessed no &quot;otherness&quot;.

I think you are unaware of just how elevated your thinking is.

By admitting that otherness, we agree. Yeah I call it god because like I said what else is there to call it given that it made/makes/is everything (English doesn&#039;t have sufficient words to sum up quickly, you know what I mean)?

I planned on going into it more but I&#039;m overwhelmed at the moment. I have substantial debates happening everywhere, and your massive PM response is still on the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Atheism does not commit me to materialistic monism. There might well exist any number of ineffable otherness on the outskirts of reality. Atheism, to me, just entails a failure to see why such ineffable otherness should wear the visage of a human face.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you should test that. Go post that sentiment on RichardDawkins.com or something.</p>
<p>The majority of atheists I&#8217;ve encountered do treat atheism as a cosmology which states the universe requires no cause and therefor possessed no &#8220;otherness&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think you are unaware of just how elevated your thinking is.</p>
<p>By admitting that otherness, we agree. Yeah I call it god because like I said what else is there to call it given that it made/makes/is everything (English doesn&#8217;t have sufficient words to sum up quickly, you know what I mean)?</p>
<p>I planned on going into it more but I&#8217;m overwhelmed at the moment. I have substantial debates happening everywhere, and your massive PM response is still on the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Magni</title>
		<link>http://sketchsepahi.com/blog/archives/68/comment-page-1#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Magni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 12:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is this me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this me?</p>
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